Semopar Forum

**Smitty** · 08-14-2011, 09:20 PM

True, have not heard many good things about Banks. As for TST, Some of the DOF guys like to stack them with the Smarty's.

H&S is suppose to be a good product according to one of the diesel guru's on DOF.

I am assuming that you like your Quad so far? No problems? Gives you the performance you want/expect? Any mpg gains? You do any towing? Tow my 5th wheel, so would also be looking for some mpg along with the power gains.

**03 Rammer** · 08-14-2011, 09:26 PM

Stock I get 17mpg on the HWY With the Superchips I got 21mpg HWY and now with the Quad I get 20mpg on the HWY. I absolutly love it. The best part which is with any other programmer with a display, is the on the fly adjustments and multipe gauges. Hardly tow so wouldnt know anything about the quad and towing.

**4XLGator** · 08-14-2011, 09:53 PM

Smitty, sorry I didn't get to call you this weekend. On the weekends I have my son I get so into spending all the time I can with him and lose track of everything else. I'll give you a call tomorrow or Tuesday.

I have been doing a lot of "programmer" reading and have ruled out a few and put a few others on the potential list. Like you, I'm thinking about building a comparison and pros & cons spreadsheet to keep up with everything.

Banks is one of the ones I have ruled out. They are too conservative with their tuners, but with good reason in my opinion...they have the most to lose out of any of these other companies, none of which have been in the diesel business as long as them. I think their main concern is simply liability.

Superchips is out, my opinion is that they are more into gas than diesel.

Diablo is out, I don't think they have the diesel experience that others have, much like superchips.

H & S is out, on price alone. I hear they are great, but I feel others can do what they do for less money.

EFILive is out...I'm not a computer programmer but I think I could handle it. But, knowing myself it would consume a lot of my time because I would want to play with it all the time. I can literally see myself sitting out in the truck late at night doing so. So, I'm gonna resist that temptation.

I haven't looked into to Bully Dog, but plan to. I doubt I will buy them though.

I am going to continue to look into Smarty, Edge and Quadzilla, although I am leaning towards Smarty right now...which I never thought I would simply on looks alone. However, guys seem to love them and I prefer analog gauges over digital (yes, it's kind of a big deal with me). And not the Jr, I'm looking hard at the S-06 and SSR, although the SSR seems like it does more then I want to get into (same reason as EFILive). They provide higher hp settings and ultimately I would like to have the mods for, and supporting mods to support 500 to 600hp. I realize it's gonna cost me $6k to $10k but that hp range is my goal.

I may even eventually stack with TST.

Even though I typed most everything here, I'll still give you a call tomorrow or Tuesday and we'll kick it around. I typed here as I thought Aaron and Lou may find it interesting reading too.

**Smitty** · 08-15-2011, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by 4XLGATOR

Smitty, sorry I didn't get to call you this weekend. On the weekends I have my son I get so into spending all the time I can with him and lose track of everything else. I'll give you a call tomorrow or Tuesday.

I have been doing a lot of "programmer" reading and have ruled out a few and put a few others on the potential list. Like you, I'm thinking about building a comparison and pros & cons spreadsheet to keep up with everything.

Banks is one of the ones I have ruled out. They are too conservative with their tuners, but with good reason in my opinion...they have the most to lose out of any of these other companies, none of which have been in the diesel business as long as them. I think their main concern is simply liability.

Superchips is out, my opinion is that they are more into gas than diesel.

Diablo is out, I don't think they have the diesel experience that others have, much like superchips.

H & S is out, on price alone. I hear they are great, but I feel others can do what they do for less money.

EFILive is out...I'm not a computer programmer but I think I could handle it. But, knowing myself it would consume a lot of my time because I would want to play with it all the time. I can literally see myself sitting out in the truck late at night doing so. So, I'm gonna resist that temptation.

I haven't looked into to Bully Dog, but plan to. I doubt I will buy them though.

I am going to continue to look into Smarty, Edge and Quadzilla, although I am leaning towards Smarty right now...which I never thought I would simply on looks alone. However, guys seem to love them and I prefer analog gauges over digital (yes, it's kind of a big deal with me). And not the Jr, I'm looking hard at the S-06 and SSR, although the SSR seems like it does more then I want to get into (same reason as EFILive). They provide higher hp settings and ultimately I would like to have the mods for, and supporting mods to support 500 to 600hp. I realize it's gonna cost me $6k to $10k but that hp range is my goal.

I may even eventually stack with TST.

Even though I typed most everything here, I'll still give you a call tomorrow or Tuesday and we'll kick it around. I typed here as I thought Aaron and Lou may find it interesting reading too.

No problems Lee. I understand the priorities.

I have decided to just look at on-the-fly type tuners. Which, you can do per se with POD on the Smarty. But, Smarty uses the ODB port which is what the Insight uses (I have used analog in the past and like my digital). I have tried using a ODB 2-1 cable but Smarty did not like it. I can disconnect the Insight make my POD change and then hook the gauges back up. Not as bad as doing a complete download, but still a PITA.

As a daily driver I am more interested in MPG, then power. So I would like to have the capability to easily switch from an economy mode, to a tow mode (more power), back to economy, etc. With out going through the 10 minute process each time. Again, I could use POD, but not sure I really like using it. It changes shift points, power, throttle response, etc.

I understand with the Smarty you can do some tuning. But, not sure I really want or need it. I am not really interested in the 5 more hp (example) that fine tuning the timing may get me. Now, if it gave me another 1-2 mpg I would like. But do not think it does that. Or have not seen it from my Smarty. I have noticed that some of the 'on-the-fly' tuners are now offering timing/torque/low end tuning.

So, for now I am looking at ease of use, gauges, economy, power when needed.

Stealth Mode · 08-15-2011, 09:21 AM

Run a BullyDog and you won't go back to any of the other's...

**Smitty** · 08-15-2011, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Stealth Mode

Run a BullyDog and you won't go back to any of the other's...

Why is that?

**4XLGator** · 08-15-2011, 10:29 AM

Yes, tell us Jeff.

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Stealth Mode · 08-15-2011, 10:40 AM

Just personal experience. We have a BullyDog on our '06 F350. Huge noticable gain's on both spectrum's. 40-75 in 4.1 second's with the on-the-fly mobile roller. TQ side is fucking crazy. No more brake boosting to burn the tire's, it'll clear a rollin burnout from a dead stop with no problem's at all.

It's an auction truck so we're probably gonna' trade it in for a new 6.7 Cummin's Megacab, like your's Lee. She seemed to like it. That'll damn sure get a BullyDog too.

Stealth Mode · 08-15-2011, 10:43 AM

I was just really impressed with them. Not sure how people can bash on Bank's considering how long they been around and thriving. Hell, at one point in time Bank's was contracted from FORD to do all the 7.3 Powerstroke's. And we all know, the 7.3 was a demon diesel.

**Smitty** · 08-15-2011, 11:02 AM

Thanks for the info...

I have no personal experience with Banks...Seems to be one of those things where someone might have had problems with one and it went from there. Example, Rammer likes his Quad, but on one of the other forums, Quad owner thinks it is a POS.

The Cummins folks (owners, not the company) do not seem to like Banks...Think he bad mouthed them about making to much torque...lol