Lowered Class Club...

[BAD HABIT]

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/IDriveLifted/Badges/LCC.jpg

I have started this club on a few different forums and it has been a success. So here it is again, the Lowered Class Club is open for all cars and trucks who have been dropped to this side of life, whether your slightly lowered or you are slammed scrapin' pavement, you are welcome.

PLEASE NO BASHING ON LIFTED, AND LIFTED GUYS NO BASHING ON THE LOW LIFES....

1. Jusjay727 - Jay ~ el presidente

[Stealth Mode]

This shit is gonna' be tight...

2. Stealth Mode - Soldier. Lol

[BAD HABIT]

welcome to the lower class club, jeff.
wheres my side kicks at?.....

[NOTPAID4]

One of our Dodge Magnums, (06 SXT) has been lowered.

[BAD HABIT]

Sweet, if it lowered you gotta be in the club

[Stealth Mode]

Okla better get in here...

[BAD HABIT]

he will usually he's on it from the get go, he's been my vice pres on every forum i started this on...

[BAD HABIT]

come on guys where yall at, bigmac, okla, copperhead, redtruck_va, tuned93, those are the few off the top of my head i remember come on guys...

[Stealth Mode]

Seriously man... LowSlung too.

[UnderCover]

Does it count if the car drops 2 inches when my fat ass sits in it? LMAO

[OklaHemi]

can you take pics while you are in it lol. LCC is official, yep. you know you dont even have to say my name... its on the plate



http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab156/mikereeder80/mytruck/DSC_0010-1.jpg

god those taillights were ugly

i think this yeah i will get LOCLASS or LOWCLAS maybe i like the one i have but i like hanging them on my garage wall. the back of he tahoe will say SPOILED this year. describes her perfectly

[Stealth Mode]

I'll be getting a vanity plate for the '86 when it's done...

GHSTRD3R, ST3ALTH or L0WnSL0. Not sure yet. The vanity plate I have coming for the '98 read's PWRFUL.

[OklaHemi]

ok numbers numbers....

LCC#1 Jusjay727
LCC#2 supa Stealt Mode
LCC#3 NOTPAID4
LCC#4 OklaHemi
LCC#5 Tuned93


ima throw ken in since i know where his heart is. greg, ron and the others will be in here soon enough. i love the lcc. by far my favorite club. jay have you checked it on df? i havent been on there in forever. i miss having weed that guy was always teaching me something

[BAD HABIT]

i know i wish he would come on more, but him being a mod now keeps him busy...

[RamSport97]

Count me in

[BAD HABIT]

LCC#1 Jusjay727
LCC#2 supa Stealth Mode
LCC#3 NOTPAID4
LCC#4 OklaHemi
LCC#5 Tuned93
LCC#6 RamSport97

[Redtruck-VA]

Oh yeah, I'm in.....

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4589/dsc00430totm.jpg (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/dsc00430totm.jpg/)

[Stealth Mode]

LCC#1 Jusjay727
LCC#2 supa Stealth Mode
LCC#3 NOTPAID4
LCC#4 OklaHemi
LCC#5 Tuned93
LCC#6 RamSport97
LCC#7 Redtruck-VA

It's grooooowwwing!

[Redtruck-VA]

Does it count if the car drops 2 inches when my fat ass sits in it? LMAO

Art, that's called a "dynamic" drop. :jester:

[BAD HABIT]

i knew you would find the LCC Greg... you been a long time member...

[OklaHemi]

sweet i love the lower class


welcome in greg

[NOTPAID4]

R U sure it's OK for me to be in the lower class club; it's actually the wife's 06 Mag SXT that's lowered.... ~ LOL~ (She lets me drive in on occasion too)

[Ms.MagnumSLT]

Well I guess you can count me in now,lol lowered 2" in the back.

[BAD HABIT]

thats all right, Jim your a 6 mopar family, which means its in your driveway....welcome spring, i bet it looks much better w/o that raked look...

[NOTPAID4]

Here is a picture of our 06 Magnum SXT lowered with DropZone springs!

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/TeesMagnum200000.jpg?t=1298044299

[OklaHemi]

mmmm sexy. after seeing that i would drop them all. chrissy told me she wants me to lower the tahoe and get 22"s..... yeahhhhhhhhhh. im thinking 3/4 drop first then getting the 22"s later its already on 20"s. so be looking forward to the hoe drop coming soon. im very excited about this, i have wated to drop that that thing since we signed papers on it

[BAD HABIT]

nice.....

[Redtruck-VA]

I like....

[stratus04]

i wanna be in this club my car is not lowered but its lowered enough for a stock carhttp://www.semopars.com/picture.php?albumid=78&pictureid=620

[BAD HABIT]

maybe we need to lower it a lil bit then...

[stratus04]

i wanna lower it 2in but i anit got money

[OklaHemi]

get you some. that would be sweet dropped

[BAD HABIT]

we should have a broke as a bitch club too, cause we all broke...and when we do have ched we spend it on our trucks or families...

[OklaHemi]

broke broke phi broke, we aint got it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaq8BhiVwyI

[NOTPAID4]

When I get more time, I'll post pictures of what I did today.

Did take these pictures of our two lowered Magnums. The one in the back is Tee's 06 SXT and the one in the front is the one I just got Friday.


http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/DSCN3006.jpg?t=1298261088


http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/DSCN3007.jpg?t=1298261088


http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/DSCN3008.jpg?t=1298261088

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/DSCN3008.jpg?t=1298261089


http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/DSCN3007.jpg?t=1298261088


http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/DSCN3006.jpg?t=1298261088

[OklaHemi]

sweet pics jim.

[car_enthusiast63]

we should have a broke as a bitch club too, cause we all broke...and when we do have ched we spend it on our trucks or families...

I know I'm in the wrong section but I sure as hell agree that a club like that would be a hit, I was just recently laid off of work so theres no money coming in here at all for now

[OklaHemi]

been there before brother. hold tight and cut cost, it wll work out

[car_enthusiast63]

been there before brother. hold tight and cut cost, it wll work out

Thanks bro, It freaking sucks big ones freaking thinking that they let me go after working for the company for over 2 years, and its hard finding a job down here in Miami, I've been applying for jobs for quite a few months now cause I wanted to leave the company anyways but damn couldnt find anything and they let me go before I could find anything.

[car_enthusiast63]

Those Magnums look sweet Jim!!

[BAD HABIT]

hang in there bud i was laid off after 6yrs with a company, been in school ever since, it hurt money wise real bad for a while but we cut back and im almost done so itll all work out... sacrifices will be made trust me...

[car_enthusiast63]

Well thanks guys, I appreciate it, I have been in school over 2 years now so one day once I get my degree things will get better. now let me get out of your section over here before I get kicked out lol

[BAD HABIT]

That wouldn't happen on here... I myself will be done with my degree in about 8 weeks I'm looking for work now, cause they would sign off on my hours if I got a job in my career field, I'm sure we both can't wait to be working with our degrees that's when the money rolls in... It'll all pan out bud, just remember just cause you aren't moddin you still need to be on here cause we don't worry about that around here,

[car_enthusiast63]

Hell yea for sure I'll still come on here every chance I get, I'll still do some modding, not anything fancy but I have so much crap sitting around here at home that to keep my mind off things for a while I will just try do make something out of it, sometimes it works and sometimes not but as long as I dont spend money on things now I should be cool. Damn Jay thats great btw only 8 weeks, congrats ahead of time lol, what are you majoring in?

[BAD HABIT]

electro-mechanical technology, yeah i cant wait...and i know how things dont pan out the way you want them too...like my half covers...

[car_enthusiast63]

Sweeeet!! Getting a job in something you like doing is amazing, I dont even think you could call it work if you love what you do. Oooo man how I know how it feels to have an idea that you picture it so perfect in mind and even sounds great but then hard as hell to execute, well I say keep going with the idea for the half covers that idea sounds really cool

[BAD HABIT]

nah the half covers have been aborted, they just dont look right with out the high rise intake like the srt has...

[car_enthusiast63]

Gotcha, was worth a try though

[BAD HABIT]

yeah was def worth the try, youll see what im doing under the hood soon...

[NOTPAID4]

Today, my latest magnum purchase (CHANCE) is going in just to check alignment 'cuz it's lowered and I going to ask the mechanic IF he can tell how the lowering was done or type of springs.... anything he can tell me.

The Magnums worse "link" is the front suspension. ON all the forums you'll see most with some miles on them that they had to have front end work done, especially tie rod ends>

When we got Tees' 05 Magnum SXT, it was already lowered but the guy gave us the stock springs in the "DROPZONE" box those came in.

[donaldjp]

wats up everybody, here's mine, needs a good washing though

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h320/DonaldJP/2006%20Dodge%20Ram/2011-03-03_16-41-12_21.jpg

[Redtruck-VA]

Hey Guys and Girls, finally got back home, and I'm getting a few things done. But what I think is a big deal is the Aeon springs I installed. They replace the bump stops and were orignally designed for increasing vehicle load capacity. But the smaller units do an amazing job of bump control. I have posted the details in the 3g section. Good luck..

[Trupiano]

Looks great Donald!

Greg, I Think I will definitely scoop a set of those up for my drop project on Red Rocket! Thanks for the great info yet again!

[OklaHemi]

Those bags look the part. I will get a set soon, if I dont accidentally bag my truck first.

Now how would one accidentally bag their vehicle you might ask. I can't explain it I have just been working on my apology.

Sorry honey I went for a load of bread and it just happened

[Redtruck-VA]

Maybe start off with i went across town to get some really fresh tortillas and when I came back out I couldn't find my truck and then a week later when it was recovered look what they did..... It wouldn't fly in my house, but it might be worth a try....

Side note, I picked up four 275/60-20's mounted on rims for a fellow and those things are heavy. but looking at Red you wouldn't know she was carrying anything and she still rides and handles with perfect manners. Those Aeon springs do a great job. Now I'll shutup about them....

[NOTPAID4]

Great job on the lowereing guys! Love the look!

[OklaHemi]

no greg keep it up. they sound better each time. i could say my truck was stolen and maybe i was being punked or overhauled

[BAD HABIT]

Nice...

[Redtruck-VA]

Man, I would drop my truck another inch in a heart beat if I had the time to sort it out. Problem is this is the year for a little engine work and I'm behind getting that stuff done. There is Street Night at the Richmond Drag Strip on May 27 and a GTG May 28 at Hooters. We need to get all the lowered rigs we can to show off what they have. It should be all fun...

[NOTPAID4]

Guess Tee (MRS.PAID4) can be added to this list too...

She has an 06 Magnum SXT lowered on Drop Zones and
an 05 Magnum R/T lowered on Mopar lowering springs.

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/deboyacej/DSCF0618.jpg?t=1302533575



http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab44/TEEPUD/DSCN0165.jpg

[Redtruck-VA]

Those's are sweet looking rides....

Do you know you suffer from complusive behavior.... lol

[OklaHemi]

tee with the ganstar pose with the gangsta mag. that orange and black looks so good to me

[Redtruck-VA]

Has anyone cut their stock springs? I'd like to drop another inch and figure I'd just cut a spring something like a half a turn.

[OklaHemi]

I have not but I have never heard anything good about it Greg.

[SmokedRam]

Has anyone cut their stock springs? I'd like to drop another inch and figure I'd just cut a spring something like a half a turn.

I know alot of S10 guys who do it...only to end up regretting it later, cause the ride quality afterwards goes to shit...

They also heat them up and compress them too, inturn losing spring rate, but dropping the truck as a result.

[Redtruck-VA]

The aftermarket drop springs have a higher spring rate then the OEM springs. So OEM springs when cut are weaker. Smoke drops are criminal. IMO, any spring drop compomises ride quality to a certain extent. But I think the Aeon springs I have installed will save the day for me. I'm thinking 1/2 a coil might be enough. Anyone know how much to cut to get a inch drop?

[NOTPAID4]

Can we get Tee (MRS.PAID4) added to the LOWERED CLASS CLUB; This is her and her 05 R/T Chance that has Mopar Lowering Springs????

Thank you!

http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab44/TEEPUD/DSCN0165.jpg

[Redtruck-VA]

It has a great looking stance. Looks like it's fun to drive..

[Redtruck-VA]

Ok, spring guru's. I have a set of 4.7 springs, does anyone know if these will give me a drop when used on a 5.7? Are they the same spring?
Thanks,

[AWE Daniel]

I dont see why they would be any different

[BAD HABIT]

pretty sure they are the same bud...

[Redtruck-VA]

I don't know, technically I believe the 5.7 may be heavier. But I really don't know. I was hoping someone would have some experience swapping springs.

[Redtruck-VA]

pretty sure they are the same bud...

Jay, that wouldn't really surprise me either. How much do you wack it to drop an inch?

[BAD HABIT]

a full coil will give you 2, but a half coil may make it sit weird, i wouldnt do it greg, you seem to do everything the right way, and well sorry to say and no offense this is half assed...ive seen cars and trucks tires look like this when springs are cut /..\
that to me is hideous....

[Redtruck-VA]

a full coil will give you 2, but a half coil may make it sit weird, i wouldnt do it greg, you seem to do everything the right way, and well sorry to say and no offense this is half assed...ive seen cars and trucks tires look like this when springs are cut /..\
that to me is hideous....

Come on brother where is your sense of adventure. I bought a second set of springs to experiment with. The /..\ angle tires is your camber and that comes from the geometry being off from susppension height. One of the reasons I like the spindle drop over spring drop. But actually I put a little more camber into mine to get the wider tires to clear the fender lip. It is perfect as far as clearance goes with mine now as it sits. I can do full travel and not rub or scrape anything. I wish I had paid a little more attention when I had the front apart last time, but it seemed to me the bottom of the coil sits in a rubber seat and that can be turned around in the lower control arm. If that is so then cutting a 1/3 or half a coil from the top should be possible without binding the spring. I'll pull it apart in a day or so and see. Now if the 4.7 spring is shorter I'll just drop that in place of the 5.7 spring. I'll do a side by side comparison to see if there is any advantage of one spring over the other.

[BAD HABIT]

well shoot me and call me billy bob, if you got extra springs and dont mind the labor its worth a try, keep us posted...

[Redtruck-VA]

well shoot me and call me billy bob, if you got extra springs and dont mind the labor its worth a try, keep us posted...

It ain't labor it's called hot rodding...... oh yeah 3/5 drop.

I may move my rear Aeon bumps to the outside of the frame and mount them a little like helper airbags. It would give me another 1 inch or so of free travel.

[OklaHemi]

that would be sweet, will you need to weld a bracket? i need to learn how to weld, i have been around it my who life but never tried

[Redtruck-VA]

Mike, I've never been a good welder. 20 years ago I did passable welds in the shop, but if I wanted it really nice I'd have one of the real welders step in. A friend of mine lets me use his shop and I'll fabricate a mount and weld it to the frame.

[SmokedRam]

I use to weld a bit when I worked as a shopping cart repair tech for Edwards Equipment Sales...one day I needed to run a few tack welds, figured I run them real quick with the mig and just close my eyes rather than use a shield...caught a case of flash in my right eye...it sucked...I have never used so much coffee creamer in my life.

[OklaHemi]

wow i bet that had to suck..what was the creamer for

[Redtruck-VA]

Ok guys & girls, I installed the 4.7 coil springs. It is a little confusing, the two 4.7 springs I bought are 603"s the 5.7 springs I pulled from the truck are 604 on the drv side and a 602 on the pass side. The pass side has always sit about a 1/4" higher. It is now within a 1/8" when I returned from my test run. IDK, if you can tell if there is a difference or not. In my eye I can tell.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8177/img2011052200089.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/222/img2011052200089.jpg/)

Here is what I did, I got conflicting information on how much of a cut does what. so guessed. I measured 6" around the outside of the coil on the bottom and cut it.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/6945/img2011052200088.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/851/img2011052200088.jpg/)

We are very fortunate tha Dodge designed the front coil setup the way they did. The top of the spring sits in a rubber donut that can be positioned anywhere. This means the coil can be cut and the top will just sit in a new position without issues.

top of donut
http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8593/img2011052200087.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/638/img2011052200087.jpg/)

bottom of donut
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8531/img2011052200086.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/img2011052200086.jpg/)

Took me just short of 4 hours, spending almost 3 hours on the driver side trying to figure out how much to cut and a hour on the passenger side. I got what I figure is about 5/8 of an inch. I'll drive it this week and see if it'll settle and if it doesn't then i'll cut it again. Not hard to do. All I did was jacke it up and put a stand under the frame. Put a jack under the LCA and lifted it to where the truck almost comes off the stand. Unbolt the sway bar link and removed the shock. Backed the lower ball joint nut off about 1/4". Lowered the jack and placed it under the lower ball joint nut and jacked it back up some and smacked the spindle boss in the area of the lball joint and it let go. Lifted the spindle up and placed a small piece of 2x4 under the uCA. There is no dangerous spring load, so lower the jack and remove it from under the LCA. I used a old axe handle to leverage the LCA down and pulled the spring. Afte cutting the spring just reverse the procedure. Nothing to it. Good luck.

[OklaHemi]

Sweetness greg, im glad you are getting your drop lower

[SmokedRam]

wow i bet that had to suck..what was the creamer for

it helps soothe your eye when you have a case of flash, dont know exactly how, but it works.

[Redtruck-VA]

Sweetness greg, im glad you are getting your drop lower

Mike, It'll take some time to get it the way I want it.

Thanks,

[OklaHemi]

I can appreciate that. I like how you mod greg, You do it right and with proper intentions. Not just slapping shi tv together hoping it works. And you are a great guy to learn from

[RamSport97]

Looking good Greg, this is definitely the old school way of doing it.

[Redtruck-VA]

Mike, thank you for the kind words, very much appreciated.

Patrick, it is old school, as back in the day there weren't many parts available to buy so we just made do with what we had. i don't advocate lowering vehicles using primarily spring drops as spindles do a better job. But adjusting that final fit I see whacking the spring as the way to get it right.

Safety note: Gentlemen, take care of your eyes. As a retired machinist and having had metal removed and welding flash burns I'll put it simple. In your younger years the damage you do to your eyes will come back to you as you age and you may very well lose your eye sight. I have cataracts and have had lens replaced and still I am losing my vision. When doing your projects at home or in the shop wear your safety glasses, it's that simple.

[Redtruck-VA]

The flip kit has a 4-1/2 hole that I moved to this morning. Took about 20 minutes, jacked the rear up about 8 inches using a floor jack to take the load off the springs. Loosen the bolts, flex the spring by hand and pull the bolt, push the spring up to the next nole and slip the bolt back in the higher hole. Tighten the nut and repeat on the other side. The truck sits almost level with the ass a 1/4" higher than the front side to side it's level. The ride is firm but not harsh, the suspension is done......

[AWE Daniel]

the suspension is done......

hmmm well see lol:hmm:

[Redtruck-VA]

hmmm well see lol:hmm:

Brother, trust me....

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2560/img2011052300090.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/img2011052300090.jpg/)

[Redtruck-VA]

We haven't had much action in the lowered section for awhile, so I would like to bring to folks attention the Timbren Aeon springs. I really believe in these things. They are absolutely necessary in the rear if you're dropped without a notch and in the front if you are not bagged. They are completely passive and can be abused by as much as you can give them. No more tippy toeing through dips and bumps. Fronts A140-65, rears A155-65. can be ordered from Ronald @757 675-6832. These are manufactured in Canada and dropped shipped to your address. I have no financial association with the seller/manufacturer. If you are new to my pitch for these, they simply replace the bump stops with a rubber spring of a given rating. i have increased the load carrying in the rear of Red by 1360 lbs without raising the ride height. Using these on lowered rides is a bit of a break through as they are not specifically manufactured for this purpose.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5917/imag0028wj.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/imag0028wj.jpg/)

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9945/imag0014sk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/691/imag0014sk.jpg/)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/9498/img2011062400149.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/img2011062400149.jpg/)

[OklaHemi]

how much were they running? i found a few sets on ebay yesterday for 90.00 shipped

your frame is sitting on them right

[ramn it]

I cut the front springs I think 1/2 coil and 4in drop eibach leafs in the back and then nitro drop shocks I rub a little on bad dips but I ve learned to spot them out most of the time .

[Redtruck-VA]

how much were they running? i found a few sets on ebay yesterday for 90.00 shipped

your frame is sitting on them right

Mike, I haven't looked at those, as the p/n I provided are individual pieces as there is no kits for using these on lowered trucks, The rear sits within a 1/4" of the axle. The fronts I have adjusted so as not to rub.

I cut the front springs I think 1/2 coil and 4in drop eibach leafs in the back and then nitro drop shocks I rub a little on bad dips but I ve learned to spot them out most of the time .

With the Aeon springs you would not need to bother with avoiding anything you wouldn't normally avoid. I chase sport cars on the back roads here to the point I have seen them lifting wheels and Red stays planted. It's that good.

[BigJuice55]

You can add me to the low life list....lol

[OklaHemi]

Best life

[BigJuice55]

Best life

You got that right.:happy107:

[OklaHemi]

My next plate will either read LOWCLAS or NOCLASS I can't decide. I'm stuck with lowhemi for another year though.

[Redtruck-VA]

I think "low Hemi" is a good plate.
I'm happy with my drop finally, but I'm going to shorter tires, so who knows where that will lead.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/8043/img2011062400147.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/17/img2011062400147.jpg/)

[OklaHemi]

Greg, Red looks so good after the wheel swap. it reminds me so much of my 99 ram sport. how short are the tires you are going to get? i switched from 305/45 to 305/40 and i like it. its only a 1" difference but hey thats a 1/2" closer to the ground lol

[Redtruck-VA]

Greg, Red looks so good after the wheel swap. it reminds me so much of my 99 ram sport. how short are the tires you are going to get? i switched from 305/45 to 305/40 and i like it. its only a 1" difference but hey thats a 1/2" closer to the ground lol

I'm going to use 275/55-17 these are 28" my current tires are 275/60-17" which are 29". Not much of a change but puts an additional inch on the ground. I like the 17's.

[BAD HABIT]

My truck is finally dropped on a McGaughys 2/4.5 kit still running a set of KYB shocks. The thing looks mean, now I def need a new set of wheels...

BAD HABITS BADASS EVO ON TAPATALK TRANSPARENT...

[ORT]

.............

[ORT]

..........

[BAD HABIT]

okay fellas been a long time coming, ....heres some pics of the truck....

this was the day i got the rear done...
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMAG0717.jpg

this was the day i got the front done...
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMAG0724.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMAG0725.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMAG0726.jpg

this is after i got the upper grill in yes i replaced my Gutter grill with a black billet grill, and took a slt cover lay for the bumper and it has been cut in half and retroed for the street scene bumper...

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMG_20120729_135018.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMG_20120729_144438.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMG_20120729_144540-1.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMG_20120729_144707.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i79/JUSJAY727/IMG_20120729_144834.jpg

sorry for the quality of pics, i need a new dig camera, using my phone, that had a good cam, then they replaced it cause it shit out and i got a crappy one need to go back and get it replaced again....