Lifftin

[cajunfishin]

anyway, was about to order my leveling kit for my 03 2wd... cant find one that doesnt require longer shocks!!!:flipthebird::flipthebird: most everything i found is for a 4wd...
anyway, might just end up doing a body lift...:pedobear:
so, will a body lift mess up my mpg or my ride anyway??

[cajunfishin]

instead of doing a levelling kit and have to buy new shocks..

[Stealth Mode]

I couldn't see the ride being any worse off than it is... A body lift is still sprung weight (above the axle). MPG's shoot down when the tire's get bigger with the lift. That is un-sprung weight and that's what really affect's your MPG's. Not including being rougher on the driveline and making the engine work harder along with axles.


But what do I know about lift's... All my vehicle's tend to sit on the ground. Lol

[Stealth Mode]

Couple question's though.

1. Why lift a 2WD?
2. Ever thought about 2/4 drop or a 4/6 drop?

[cajunfishin]

i just dont like lowered trucks.. not my thing.. the ONLY truck i ever thought looked good dropped a little was an SS silverado..
a buddy of mine had a dropped ferd and scrapes when coming up our boat launch.

[SmokedRam]

the body kit wont affect mileage, since the suspension geometry doesnt change at all. It might affect corner handling with the added height, but thats gonna happen regardless. As for ride quality in general, it might actually help it with a good quality kit.

[SmokedRam]

Couple question's though.

1. Why lift a 2WD?
2. Ever thought about 2/4 drop or a 4/6 drop?



when properly done a lifted 2wd can go almost anywhere a 4wd will go....

[cajunfishin]

so, body lift wont affect mpgs, but when i throw on some 33s thats whats gonna screw me?
was thinkin this
http://www.suspensionconnection.com/cgi-bin/suscon/KC09103D16.html

[cajunfishin]

http://www.suspensionconnection.com/cgi-bin/suscon/KC09103D16.html

so, a body lift wont mess up my mpgs,, bt when i put 33s, thats gonna screw it up?

[Stealth Mode]

It maybe able to go anywere the 4wd can, but when the shit (mudd) get's thick, they don't have the advantage a 4wd does.


Personally, I never seen a reason in lifting a 2wd. To me, lifting a truck mean's you're gonna' use that lift-age to your advantage when rock crawling, mudding, trail hopping, thing's of that nature.

[SmokedRam]

I would be willing to bet that 1/2 or a little more of the lied trucks on the road today have never seen mud like those trucks are built to see. Look at RamIt (Kevins truck) it's 2wd...

I used to be into static, bagged and SFBD'd minitrucks...not really missing that whole scene LOL...

[cajunfishin]

i personally dont see the use in a lowered truck.. if i wanted something low, i would have gotten a car.

[cajunfishin]

i bet almost none of the lifted trucks you see have ever seen mud... if you think you can get a 4wd truck out of the swamp and marsh, go ahead.. we dont offroad like that.. we have surface drive boats and 4 wheelers to do that kinda stuff to trash out.. truck is wayyy to much money to dog out like that

[SmokedRam]

i bet almost none of the lifted trucks you see have ever seen mud... if you think you can get a 4wd truck out of the swamp and marsh, go ahead.. we dont offroad like that.. we have surface drive boats and 4 wheelers to do that kinda stuff to trash out.. truck is wayyy to much money to dog out like that


I would agree with you if I was going out and buying a brand new truck with a dealer installed lift...those trucks can run upwards up $50K after the dealer gets done modding it...then they go off and stick those low pro mud tires on them with the gangsta looking 22 inch wheels...

[Stealth Mode]

I don't like mini truck's. But my 1st Gen sit's tough in it's lowered stance.

[cajunfishin]

a kid up the street from me just got a regency f-150.. his dad bought it for him... im sticking with 18s and 33s.

[Stealth Mode]

i personally dont see the use in a lowered truck..


Preference... Take a look into my garage and check out my dropped 1st Gen.


My truck has been to Sebring and ran with SVT Cobra's in the corner's, i'm talking right on the rear bumper because you can't pass at Sebring.

[cajunfishin]

my buddy has a bagged one like that.. makes me cringe to have to get low to get in a truck. but its all preference.

[cajunfishin]

my friend max just said "dont be a puss, go with a real suspension lift".. with that being said, will that screw up my truck?

[BAD HABIT]

I put it this way different strokes for different folks, some of us like em low and fast, some of us like em big and slow....

[Stealth Mode]

I'm not into the bagged thing. I wanted a tough stance and achieved it. Personally, if I had a lifted truck, it would be 4WD and I would use it.

[cajunfishin]

plus, atlantic blue doesnt look good down low.
fat chicks cant jump :)

[BAD HABIT]

If you go big on a lift and tires just get gears and you'll be fine on mpgs, you'll want em if ya going big anyway

[BAD HABIT]

Sorry fat chick don't ride truck will scrape

[Stealth Mode]

my friend max just said "dont be a puss, go with a real suspension lift".. with that being said, will that screw up my truck?

It's all sprung weight big dog. You're adding more weight, more body roll, less turning radius, lower MPG, and obviously you're going with bigger tire's, so, it's more stress on your driveline to get it moving.

[cajunfishin]

i aint worried bout goin fast son lol
just wanna get rid of that raked look.

no fat chicks, driver and suspension cant handle the shame

[BAD HABIT]

Gears guys. Those are over looked all the time.

[Stealth Mode]

Sorry fat chick don't ride truck will scrape


My suspension's so stiff I could toss 10 fat bitch's in the bed and still run with Cobra's threw the turn's :pedobear:


Lol

[cajunfishin]

anyway, off topic now. need to find me a kit that wont eff up my mpg too bad, and get rid of that raked look.
go team venture!

[BAD HABIT]

A set of drop shackles for the rear will give it a level look, or you can do the level up the front, actually there's a guy local with a 3" susp lift for a 2 wd 3rd gen I think I even posted it in the classifieds eBay craigslist deals section

[Stealth Mode]

i aint worried bout goin fast son lol
just wanna get rid of that raked look.


It's not about going fast... It's about stress on certain part's.

I'm stepping out of this for the main reason you called me son.

Good luck on your truck and welcome to SEMopar's.

[SmokedRam]

i aint worried bout goin fast son lol
just wanna get rid of that raked look.

no fat chicks, driver and suspension cant handle the shame

Gears guys. Those are over looked all the time.

Jay is right, like I said earlier in the thread it needs to be built right. We have a tire size/gear ratio chart stickied in the forum here, that will tell you an idea of where you want to be gear wise when running a certain size tire. Plus, with the proper tune on these computer controlled trucks, you can minimize the MPG loss as much as possible.

[cajunfishin]

you dont call people son? thats an all around word here. not meant for disrespect
and im always weary about doing a custome tune.

[SmokedRam]

Hell for some $$$ a dealer can do it...they can reprogram the truck the match the tire/gear ratio so that it applied the proper fuel/air mixture, timing, transmission shift points etc..not to mention the speedmoeter calibration for the new tires, etc...

[cajunfishin]

pretty sure i have 3.55 gears in my rear end... so, according to the chart, without changing my gears, the biggest i should go is 32s or 31s without sacrificing anything? or am i reading that wrong?

[cajunfishin]

A set of drop shackles for the rear will give it a level look, or you can do the level up the front, actually there's a guy local with a 3" susp lift for a 2 wd 3rd gen I think I even posted it in the classifieds eBay craigslist deals section

if i level the front, i would need 2 inch longer shocks im pretty sure?

[cajunfishin]

wait, to go to 31s i would need to go to 4.11 gears.

[SmokedRam]

pretty sure i have 3.55 gears in my rear end... so, according to the chart, without changing my gears, the biggest i should go is 32s or 31s without sacrificing anything? or am i reading that wrong?

Your best overall performance with the 3.55 gears, according to the chart will come from a 28 inch tire...I would rather have better over all performance than strictly fuel economy.

[AParrette]

idk about you guys but my stockers are 31's

[Onk]

Time for me to chime in...lol

I am running almost 11 inches of lift on my 2WD with 3.92s and no tune...yet.

My mpg is right around 8.5-9.0. My tires are 40x16.5.20's.

You do a lift, and throw big meat under there, you shouldnt be concerned with MPGs...cause thats all out the window...lol

Also, I dont know if you have mentioned, but what motor are you running?

[SmokedRam]

yeah the 245/75/17's are 30.5 inches tall...actually a 30.5x9.6/17....if it had the 265x70/17 then they are 31.6x10.4/17....what gears do you have Alex?

[cajunfishin]

i have the 4.7.. im pretty sure stock 20s have 31 inch tires. my buddies truck does and he hhas the 3.55 too. and i dont think i would be putting an 11 inch lift with 40s lol

[Onk]

I too have the 4.7 and I would say your gears would be good up to like a 33 maybe a 35, anything bigger you would want to put at least 3.92s in....

Ill sell ya mine...lol, so I can get a set of 4.88s!!!

How big do you want to go? Dont worry about it being 2wd...there are kits out there for just about anything you wanna do. Everything on my truck is Fabtech. I HIGHLY recommend them!

[Stealth Mode]

Rich ass MOFO with your fabtech doohikies.


Make your own suspension part's!!! It's not all that hard, well i'm not gonna lie, I did anger managment classes while I was building the suspension under the D150. Lol


Na, Cajun, not really into people calling people son/boy/cheif/bossman, shit like that. Since I moved to the U.S I have found out that people use that word alot.

[cajunfishin]

not sure what i wanna get right now, my buddy has a 6 inch that hes getting rid of to sell his truck, but i might just throw a leveling kit and some 33s... or a 3 inh body lift...m the possibilities are endless right now lol jst dont really wanna go bigger than 35s.

[SmokedRam]

i have the 4.7.. im pretty sure stock 20s have 31 inch tires. my buddies truck does and he hhas the 3.55 too. and i dont think i would be putting an 11 inch lift with 40s lol

You are running 275x55/20's now stock? Those tires are 32 inches tall...31.9 to be exact...

[Fla 66 cuda]

Just chiming in with my 2 cents.Do what you like it's your truck i personally would not lift a 2wd that's something for a 4x4 i would slam that thing.But to each his own, i gotta admit strat's truck is bad ass very nicely done.

[cajunfishin]

eh, the only truck i really like lowered is a silverado or a sierra. infact, i like them when the ass end is lower than the front. i dont find a dodge looks good lowered.. im just trying to get it to look more agressive like i had with my frontier. if i can get a picture of it ill post it up

[cajunfishin]

http://i52.tinypic.com/30c7p77.jpg

http://i55.tinypic.com/2dtc0ut.jpg

[BAD HABIT]

another chance for me to chime in, so you wanna lift i understand that but you gotta decide 33 or 35 then base how you want it stand around that do you want more wheel well or the stuffed look? your gear ratio should be on a sticker in your glove box, if not theres other ways to fig it out. no need for custom tunes just for a lift and bigger tires, at all...if you want a lil more power and fun you can buy a superchips and with a canned tune they make for a great lil bump in power and enjoyment you can also change your tire size so you speedo is correct and have other functions based on year of your truck...

[cajunfishin]

I would prefer more wheel well. and yep, just checked. 3.55.
that raw badge is sick too. jus sayin

[BAD HABIT]

i got some 3.92 that have 70k on em if your interested but in my honest opinion if your gonna crack the pumkin to do gears go big or go home, and do 4.56 i dont regret it at all....

[cajunfishin]

im thinkin leveling kit, and rims and tires for now. worry about gears and superchip later.

[BAD HABIT]

if your just doing a level with 33 youll be fine

[cajunfishin]

best place to get a level from?? all i can seem to find is some urethane ones from daystar.

[BAD HABIT]

them or top gunz customs something like that, daystar is dam good

[cajunfishin]

topguncustomz.com i think?
pertty much will need new shocks too with a leveling kit too? right?

[BAD HABIT]

sometimes you can find it all together as a kit, yeah try them or moesperformance, theres few other places that carry them too

[cajunfishin]

about how nmuch should level it out? im finding anywhere from 1-3 inches.

[cajunfishin]

found this for 129
2" 02-05 Dodge Ram 1500 2WD Leveling Coil Lift Kit
any feedback on it?

[BAD HABIT]

well i dropped the rear of mine with 2" drop shackles which only drop 1.5" and then i removed my overload leaf which got me another 3/4" so id say a 2" or 2.5" to get it level...

[cajunfishin]

or this
1.5" 94-09 Dodge Ram 1500 2WD Daystar Lift Spacer Kit
for 39.95

[BAD HABIT]

http://moesperformance.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_26_1185&products_id=12134

heres another there might even be a promo on ramforum for this one...

http://performancelifts.com/cgi-bin/cart/PLCDGU2.html

heres some aluminum ones for a better price
http://app.infopia.com/Shop/Control/Product/fp/SFV/32526/vpid/7329841/vpcsid/10582537/rid/127794

or a full kit shocks and level kit
http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=8165&currency=USD

[cajunfishin]

that looks like it would be alot better than the daystar urethane ones.
need shocks with that too?

[BAD HABIT]

check out the last one i put in that post sorry i edit them in...i think all level kits you need new shocks

[cajunfishin]

so im confused
the aluminum ones say

Longer shocks are not required for the installation of these spacers, as travel height is not dramatically extended. The physical height of the spacer isn't an accurate measurement of how much it will lift your vehicle, for example these spacers are 1in in physical height, but will achieve 2in of lift on your vehicle.



but the daystar ones say
New shocks are recommended with the 2" lift spacers but are not absolutely required. The stock 2wd Ram 1500 front shock acts as a limiter for the suspension. Extending the length of the front shock will allow the front suspension to over-extend and can cause damage to the upper control arm ball-joint. For this reason, PerformanceLifts.com recommends using a factory length shock absorber with these coil spring spacers. The number one reason to replace the factory shock is performance. An aftermarket shock will perform better both on and off-road. Factory Dodge shocks leave a lot of room for improvement. The spacers included in this item are BLACK as shown in the picture!

[BAD HABIT]

that confused me, see why im a lowered type guy, its all straight forward, but then again it wasnt at one point i have learned a ton....strat help im losing....

[cajunfishin]

STRATTTTT WE NEED YER HELP

thats why ive been so confused

[BAD HABIT]

its been done with stock shocks, but the people who have done it complain about how rough it is, and end up buying new longer shocks, it limits the travel on the stock shocks, youll only extend them fully a few times before they break....

[cajunfishin]

so, is it safe to say any aftermarket shocks i buy will work? or do i have to find longer ones, which i cant seem to find.

[cajunfishin]

cuz i found th ese
http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=2584

[BAD HABIT]

thats that company that has full kits available come with all 4 shocks and level spacers...

[cajunfishin]

yeah i saw, im trying to find the one with a 1 inch body lift with it..

[cajunfishin]

i would actually like to find a 3 inch level. most pictures i saw with just the 2 inch dont level it out

[cajunfishin]

why do i need the rear shocks too?

[Stealth Mode]

Here is the best Dodge suspension site. AiMIND.com

They just started making drop spindle's/arm/coilspring's for my truck. Which really pissed me off because I have over 100 hour's into building/welding/tacking my front suspension. But what can ya' do. Check em out.

[cajunfishin]

but you can say yours is built, not bought! anyway, im going to check that site out after work today. i pretty much decided on a rough country 3 inch lift for 300 dollars. the daystar 2 inchh level is 289, so 10 dollars more seems like a deal to me. instead of the part that goes over the coil, its a wholr new spring, 4 shocks and 1.5 inch blocks for the rear

[HammerZ71]

I ain't an expert at lifting 2WD trucks by any means, but Rough Country in general has a pretty good reputation and the shocks are your basic, generic white shocks made by Tenneco (who makes both Rancho and Monroe shocks) so I don't think you can go wrong for all of $300.

Fat Bob's Garage has the kit for the same $299 and has the option of substituting the Nitro 9000 shocks for about $30 more if you want the stiffer nitrogen filled shock...

[Stealth Mode]

but you can say yours is built, not bought!

Tis' true but holy shit it would've saved me alot of time and energy. Lol

[cajunfishin]

thought it was a good deal.

[BAD HABIT]

so you got it?

[cajunfishin]

bout to. it was late when i saw it last night and im at work right now. i actually thought about putting drop shackles too or a bit, but atlantic blue trucks dont like sitting low.

[cajunfishin]

someone suggested a spindal lift too because they said all the geometry remains the same,w hats up with that?

[Stealth Mode]

How exactly do you "lift" a spindle?

[SmokedRam]

he is talking about lift spindles, like drop spindles that are so common in the minitrucking scene. I am sure you know what they are. They relocate the spindle itself without manipulation of the stock suspension geometry.

[Fla 66 cuda]

They make spindles that are cast with the spindle lower on the casting mounts the same but you can buy them either dropped or lifted without affecting geometry.

[Stealth Mode]

Yeah, I got it now. When he said someone said to lift his spindle's, that shit had me cross eyed. Lol

[Fla 66 cuda]

Just got to be careful of the chinese knockoffs they load them in containers ship them here and say rotsa ruck round eye.

[SmokedRam]

some of the DJM lowering spindles are known to "crack" too...when I recommend spindles to anyone I suggest Belltech...

[cajunfishin]

Just got to be careful of the chinese knockoffs they load them in containers ship them here and say rotsa ruck round eye.

i peed myself when i read this. i was just wondering how doesnt it affect stock geometry and how i wouldnt need new shocks and all that?? because i was really thinking about that rough country one, it seems alot better than the daystar level..


anyway, all you tampa fans need to pull for the saints right now, since we all have a common hate of matty ice and the falcants.
we have the two best conferences in the country here.,. the SEC and the nfc south

[Fla 66 cuda]

It dosn't effect it due to just placing the spindle higher or lower on the spindle casting therefore nothing else changes control arm angles, shock travel, steering travel,just the height with the exception of the caster angle of the wheels when you turn which is not an issue i suppose. I can poke fun of asians i'm married to one 23 years of non stop entertainment my favroite tv shows
american woodpeckers - american pickers
porn stars - pawn stars
we eat bbq lips-bbq ribs
i could go on for ever it's a laugh a minute.

[cajunfishin]

we have a bunch of vietnamese down here... a bunch... i can barely understand any of them...
so the way ive been seeing it, the spindle would be a better way to go??

[Fla 66 cuda]

The spindle will give you the level look your looking for i suppose i have used drop spindles so its just the opisite idea every thing should swap over you may want to get longer brake lines just to be safe.Does your truck have coils or torsion. Spindles may cost as much as springs or torsion lifts IDK.

[cajunfishin]

actually, the spindles cost about 100 more for just the spindles

[Fla 66 cuda]

I think i would go for the complete kit then you have every thing you need to get what you want. Shop around find the best prices look for free shipping even if the kit is a little more and shipping is free what the hell your still savin in the long run.

[cajunfishin]

true... its just money lol

[Stealth Mode]

Only advice I can give for lifted truck's is, do it right the first time. It's alot higher from the ground when you fall because those cheap ass knock off spindle's/springs/shock's decide they dont like you abusing them anymore. Lol

[Stealth Mode]

true... its just money lol


There is alway's more to be made dude.

[cajunfishin]

hahahaha, so, now i have to decide if i want the rough country kit i found earlier, or if i want spindles??
help me choose :)

[cajunfishin]

There is alway's more to be made dude.

i found that out now that im done with college... plus, i can try to use this as a tax write off cuz its on my business truck

[Fla 66 cuda]

Only advice I can give for lifted truck's is, do it right the first time. It's alot higher from the ground when you fall because those cheap ass knock off spindle's/springs/shock's decide they dont like you abusing them anymore. Lol

In your case if you had a falure it'd be what 4 1/2 inches maybe.

[cajunfishin]

yeah, but thats alot.. im short

[Fla 66 cuda]

Stealths truck is way low he woulden't drop far, he'd tearup his shit but woulden't drop far.

[cajunfishin]

my buddies compressor went out on his bad sierra last night... best laugh i had in a while.. he was stuck at a gas station.

[Fla 66 cuda]

It's bagged i take it, that sucks.

[cajunfishin]

it definately wasnt in his master plan... and yep, 08 layed frame.. the motor burnt on the compressor...

[SmokedRam]

Thats why you always buy a second compressor....what sucks even worse on a bagged truck is having a bag blow while driving down the road....

[cajunfishin]

he had that happen 3 times already... his spindles i think arent at the right angle and his rim rubs the bag when he turns

[Fla 66 cuda]

Bagged is kool but only for show shit not daily driver dailys need to be sprung less falures.

[SmokedRam]

the scene I used to be into were into "draggin" the mottow was "Drag or Die"...LOL...oh how I do not miss those days.

[cajunfishin]

it definately was a dd.
and that was BS call it wasnt roughing the passer... even the announcers said it..and they are riding the falcons balls

[cajunfishin]

ugly game, but we won